Atomic – So how do you enjoy the shoot today?

Mia – It was really fun. I felt like I giggled constantly and learned a ton.

Okay. Yeah.

Have about for you? Did you enjoy the shoot? Or how do you enjoy the shoot?

It was fun. A lot of laughing, a lot of wiggling. It was fun. It’s just fun to, like, play around and, be in, like, close proximity, and just, experience connection, like, between bodies.

It’s just, like, so, intuitive.

But you’re learning so much about, like, the person you’re in contact with in ways that, in ways you are not, planning to.

Yeah.

You know, so it’s, like, really fun, exploratory.

Very exploratory. I love, I love playful exploration.

I think that really captured the experience for me.

Was there something you found challenging about the shoot?

Mia – I think, negotiating the height disparity is difficult because I would be able to take in the information from how you’d model it on my body. But then when I would go to apply that learning I had to like translated to the different scale. So that was the most challenging part for me.

Yeah. Scaling.

Yeah. Scaling was the most challenging.

And translating that to like how I would apply those moves.

How about for you what was the most challenging?

The most challenging.

If there was a challenge

it’s just not scaling but like being, like mindful about, like what kind of like, adjustments might be like, needed.

And then when it’s, like, so playful at times you’re not actually thinking about, okay, what adjustments or like, you would want to model for the person.

So like when you’re fooling around, it’s a little easier to just forget, forget that.

Okay.

So at times I would be like, all right, you know, if your arms.

You may have short arms.
– Yeah

You may have a shorter distance to cover or a longer distance to cover.

And it’s just like changing that. So.
Yeah.

It’s fun.

Yeah! No, I really appreciate the direction.

And challenges is always, uh

Am I warm enough physically to do some wrestling and then rolling around and then, the way to the way that challenge is, like, alleviated is remembering that it is just it is just play and you’re not performing, so you’re just like, okay

You know, you do the thing when you are able to do it.

And then at times you’re not able to do it.

– I know, that’s the thing I really appreciated about, like our scene, it was like the pacing of it.

I feel allowed my body to warm up to the action well and adjust to, like, okay, this is what we’re doing.

This is what’s being asked of the body.

But awesome, I appreciate it.

Yeah.

What are your safer sex practices and why?

So my favorite sex practices are just, never have sex.

So if you never — nah

Oh, no. So like, not knowing or and like no expectations.

So even negotiating the scene, like, what are we are going to do?

And like, we know we’re going to wrestle.

You know, we are still checking in.

All the time, like, prior talk about our testing, and what is important is,

I think it gets lost at any types of, there’s an emotional aspect to wrestling and grappling or even just like intimacy.

And it’s not always about like sex that like, people think about whether there’s penetrative sex or it is, you know, fluids, fluid exchange, and even when there’s none of those things involved, right,

It’s just that if we have if someone, has a flare up, if someone has an STI,
If someone has a, that could affect a lot of different things in their body, right.

So I think it’s just important to always check in about where we are, my safer sex practices are always to test before for any scenes, obviously.

And test afterwards and then I test every three months.

So yeah, I take prep and take doxy pep when, when needed.

And then we’re wrestling so.

M-pox vaccine’s important.

Because even where, you know, we have skin to skin contact.

Yeah. Absolutely.

Those are part of it.

What are your safer sex practices?

Yeah, I’m thinking about how we approach the scene.

Definitely communicating at all stages.

You know, I think my responsibility is like knowing the status of my body.

You know, how it’s feeling, the quantifiable tests and whatnot.

Being up to date with the vaccines are accessible and available to me.

And communicating to you even, like, after tests and stuff like, that sort of part is really important to me.

I think, checking in with you and like, what knowledge is you have about your body, be it boundaries, no’s, yeses, maybe’s while we’re exploring it I think for this like what stuck out in in the practice of like safety but also creativity is like really collaborating on what is comfortable and like a “yum” of the scene and staying within the confines of that.

Because we had the preliminary talks. We’ve done the testing, and that allowed us to create a container where we could play.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Hundred percent, I agree.

So the before process of creating that safety allowed me to access like a more unguarded state.

In the container we’ve made because we’ve done all that preliminary conversation and testing.

Yeah I know that’s it helps.

It helps I mean it is great because we have, we have a relationship, right?

We have our friendship and then we have this alignment around those things.

So there isn’t is much deviation is sometimes it is with other folks.

But like you describe, the communication is still necessary even within that relationship and prior communication.

Oh course.

Yeah.

I think it’s important to, I think we talked about like we’re neither of us are mind readers.

So it’s our responsibility to convey the internal conditions.

So we can explore the external conditions.

For sure. Thank you.
– Yeah!

So if you’ve done porn before which I think you might have dabbled.
– Yes.

What do you continue to do porn?

Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like one, it allows me to remain connected with community to have these creative projects.

For me it’s like creating this archive of the different kinds of play I really, really appreciate.

I’ve done a lot of different kinds of porn, and I feel like in this scene we have so much creative liberty, and that is like a big motivator for continuing to make porn.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The word you said was the thing that has been “through-line” word for me, in the last few months, which is “archiving”

So like in space with queer and other trans artists, we were talking about, like, these histories, the necessity, the need to archive our work, you know, what is that going to look like?

Where does I need to live?

You know, as the, like, external, you know, real strong external forces to kind of
— not “kind of” — to remove

– Like literally. Materially.

Materially remove us.

Yeah. From, from life. Right.

But also as artists, like, how are they going to be archived and where will other people, when they have an opportunity to explore their artistic side, whether it’s in erotica or porn, or queer or trans art however that looks, you know, how do we keep those stories?

How do we preserve them, pass them on?

So for me, it’s getting the opportunity, like you said, to collaborate creatively, to have the space to explore something that isn’t, constrained, you know, and say, okay, this is like something that I want to be archived and this is something that I want, my queer and trans, you know, siblings and, those, you know, that, I don’t know, to have an opportunity to see.

Yeah

Thank you for using that word.

I’m so, so excited. Like, I feel like, making this kind of scene, it’s like, oh, it’s really representing the type of play that, like, I enjoy, you know, and I feel like if that can be permissive or inspiring of other folks to try out playful wrestling and like, sensual wrestling, well that’s great.

Yeah. It’s two different ways, right? Different things.

More options for people to find their way, you know, into intimacy.

And it’s going to be so necessary for us to have spaces to, to play.

Yes. You know, so it’s all resistance.

It’s also radical.
– Radical play!

Yeah. Yeah.

(laughing)

So if you could be any sex toy of your choice.

What would it be? Oh, what would you be?

I would say it’s more of an implement than a toy…

– Okay.

I think I talked to you about this earlier.

Is like, I love gloves.

I would love to be a glove.
I would love to be that barrier.

Because I’m just, like, in literally in the middle of things, you know,

yeah.

Yeah.

That, like, impermeable layer that’s like the, the, literal membrane that’s there.

And like in the dark spaces and nooks but also offering protection.

I would love to be a glove.

Yeah, a glove! Protective, safe

– I would love to be a protective glove.

Because then I’m also like squishing onto a hand.

But also with squishing onto body parts.

Yeah, yeah.

All right then, they’re cool! Gloves.

That’s awesome.

So, what I was going to say is, if I could be any sex toy, what would it be?

It would be a some type of kink furniture.

Either it would be, you know, a bench a spanking bench or horse or maybe a Saint Andrew’s cross.

Or any kind of cross.

And why is because it’s so many people come in contact with it.

Right. It’s kind of like is connected.

It’s like a connectivity, like a durable piece of our communities, like, so necessary to be in those spaces.

But then in, like, in, inter-generationally, like how many people come through like a certain, like an old kink dungeon and they’ve all used this thing and it’s like, welcoming too, like, all different bodies.

– It’s like imbued by the experiences.

It’s imbued, it’s like soaked. You know, it’s got all kind of, you know, a memories on it.

Yeah, yeah. It’s got all this like, you know, memory in it.

So I think I would probably be that because everything else needs, you know, has to be recharged.

Has to be like, it breaks down, you throw it out, there’s a new model.

It’s like the iPhone or vibrator 10 or something like that.

So yeah.

A piece of furniture.

– Amazing.

Yeah. I get to sat on. Sweat on.

Take care of it, it’ll last forever.

Take care of it. Yeah.

And and people tend to it. It’s a lot of aftercare.

Right.

Oil it down.

Grease it, a little rub down.

New rope

New rope, yeah, get it refurbished.

– That’s right.

No. Everyone loves a refurbished spanking bench.

A little cushion.

Yeah. Yeah. Knock the cushion out of that.

Beautiful.
– Thank you.

Thank you for asking.

I like the glove thing.

Yeah.

I have these gloves that have these nibs on them.

And also like for, for the femmes out there it’s like it creates like some padding, especially if there’s like some cotton balls at the tips. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If there’s like nails and stuff, yeah.

Yeah. That’s a good idea.

Well it’s an important idea is to have a glove. I like that.

I also like the temporal nature of it.

The temporal nature.

Yeah. Thank you.

That’s what I thought, I was like, thanks!

Yeah. Thanks.

This is great. This is awesome.

I’m glad we got to make something together.
– We made it happen!

And it’s been… the last two months have been the longest decade of my life. So thank you for helping me. You know, release some of that, into a fun play.

Yeah, it was good to have something to look forward to.

Oh, thanks so much.

– Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
Can I give you a hug?

Of course!
– Come here!

Oh I get a regular hug.
– This is a good hug.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, this is lovely.

Yeah. This was so fun.

And thank everyone here.

Yeah. Thank you.

Chuck-it Buckets.

Thank you bucket.

Thank you bucket.

Thank you, thank you. Working hard.

Thank you West Hollywood.

Putting in its reps.