ZZ: How did you enjoy the shoot today?

Del: It was fun. I really enjoyed just being, having this intimate moment with you and I think leading up to it, I was a little nervous, but it all just kind of naturally progressed. I think that was my favorite part was just, just losing myself in it. And yeah, just showing off the sex that we have. It was really fun.

Del: How did you enjoy the shoot we had today?

ZZ: I had a lot of fun. Again, like you said, it’s basically what we do at home, and I think that it’s worthy of showing to as many people as who want to see it. And I think that there’s a lot of genuine love that, like, cannot be replicated in a lot of other situations. And I think that was a really, it was an honor, honestly, to be able to be with the person I love so much and to show our intimacy in a way that felt very natural and real.

Del: Aw

ZZ: What, if anything, was challenging about the shoot?

Del: I think the endurance part of it, was challenging.

ZZ: That’s natural to you anyway.

Del: (laughs) Yeah. But I think, you know, obviously with a shoot, there’s logistics and I think, you know, trying to fill a certain amount of time and, you know, the timer, you know, the countdown is in the back of your head. But, I think after a certain point, it was just like, okay, like, I’m, I’m just I’m having fun now and we ended up just running the time out, which is really fun.

ZZ: Yeah. As usual.

Del: What was the most challenging part of the shoot for you?

ZZ: I think that it’s really hard to be perceived, and as, you know, I’m a non-binary person that’s been on T for three years now, and I present in a very femme way, as you know, and, it’s sort of for me, my transition is for me, it’s a medical transition for me. And I think that that’s a really, important thing to represent. And I often don’t feel seen in porn. And I think that there’s a self-consciousness that comes with being displayed in this way, and like, wondering how I will be read. But I think that the thing that I want to portray and represent the most is this relationship between us. And once I was able to sort of be like, okay, the body stuff, the stuff of the gender, everything else and the dynamic that we have is actually the prevailing thing. And it, you know, I think that that is the biggest thing for me is that we represent something honest. So yeah, that’s what I wanted to say about that.

(giggles)

ZZ: What are your safer sex practices and why?

Del: Yeah. I mean, I think communication, you know, that’s the number one thing. And, you know, we like to explore a lot. We like to just kind of off the cuff do things, which I think is like, really beautiful. And we’ve discovered a lot of different, ways of fucking that way that we both enjoy and kind of had surprised ourselves. So I think, yeah, just like just communicating, you know, like decompressing afterwards and asking each other, you know, Did that feel good? What did you like? What did you like about it? Especially if there’s a power dynamic involved. Yeah.
ZZ: – Definitely.

Del: Yeah. What are your safer sex practices?

ZZ: I think that, you know, as you were saying, consent is the main is the number one mandatory thing, and premeditation before trying something new and exploring, is absolutely essential. And I think that something that we do very well, like you were saying, is we, we check in with each other. We have we also try to hold clear visions of what we want to explore. And I think that having the vision in mind and then understanding how to approach it in a way that is consensual and also fun for both parties, and I think that knowing, having the power to say “stop” in a scene is very important. And I think that there’s a lot of like, especially with femme people is ingrained in your brain to think that you have to just sort of push through, which is awful. And so I think that having agency and remembering that we have agency is how I stay safe when I’m engaging.

Del: Yeah

ZZ: Have you done porn before?

Del: I have done porn before with you.

ZZ: Oh my God.
(laughing)

ZZ: And why do you do porn?

Del: I think doing porn for, for trans folks, especially trans women, is really important. I think it’s, I think it’s important to, find power in our, in our bodies and in our sexuality. And right now there’s a spotlight on trans people. And I think, you know, the more visible and unapologetic we are about how we are and especially like, not trying to, meet a certain standard, that cisgender people put on us. I think there’s a lot of power in expressing our sexuality as we are. And just having really hot trans sex is important, and it’s important for people to see that.

ZZ: – I think so, too.
Del: Yeah.

Del: And have you done porn before?

ZZ: Well, yes. With you.

Del: And why did you come to the shoot today?

ZZ: I think we need to represent, like you were saying, different iterations of trans folks loving on each other. And recently we’ve been on stage together in other capacities, in the spotlight, together with our bodies being at the forefront. And a comment that I received recently was that we have a lot of body diversity between the two of us, as well as being different from what the public would imagine lesbians to look like. And I think that having the ability to showcase that, and, you know, we have big ol asses. And I think that like celebrating that and showing body diversity and celebrating really being in our own skins together is very empowering. I know that when I was coming into my sexuality, those examples were not there for me, and I thought that I had to conform and change myself. Even when I realized I was queer and started consuming queer porn, there wasn’t really anything that looked like what we are doing together. And I think that it’s not only for representation sake, but I think that showing, like sort of the different variations and the things that we do is really important. And it’s not just the representation thing for me. It’s also really empowering for myself. And I think that if I can feel comfortable in my body in other ways, like beyond being on camera, I think that I can sort of be an inspiration, maybe, or a source of power for other people that look like me. So, yeah.

ZZ: If you could be any sex toy, what would you be and why?

Del: I think, I think it’d be hot to be a stroker like, I think just –

ZZ: – That’s what I was gonna say!

Del: I think just being around a dick like that would be really hot. And just getting used in that way would be really, really sexy.

Del: If you could be any sex toy, which one would you be?

ZZ: If I could be any sex toy, I would be like one of those old school like rabbits that when it’s demonstrated just kind of waves around like crazy. I’ve used one of those before, and I was kind of like, I don’t really understand this, but it looks like hilarious. And I think they’re also some sex toys that look like little guys. Like, I think there’s actually a company where they’re like little characters of faces and like, that’s kind of my personality. And I think it would just be fun to be a silly little guy, just being jammed in someone’s whole. That sounds really fun to me.

Del: And you do kind of shake around a little bit.

ZZ: I do, it’s true! Yes, art imitates life, or something like that.

ZZ: I am really honored to be boldly in our relationship together. It’s really fun being in the world – Fun in a capacity, It’s not actually “fun” it’s sort of that facetious term… to be perceived because, you know, spotlight is on trans people. Spotlight is on queer people. Spotlight is on brown people in a way that isn’t very enjoyable right now. And I think that it’s really wonderful to stand boldly in that together, and to sort of be like, very fearlessly in love because I think when people see us, they might see a stereotype or like a niche or something like that. But what about what they see before anything else is how much we love each other. And I think that that is actually the way to take down the things that are trying to eliminate our presence. So I think just being very genuine together has brought me a lot of power. So thank you for being my wife.

Del: I love you so much. And we collaborate in pretty much every single sense. And it was nice to collaborate on a scene and just document our, our love and our sex in this way. It was it was a really amazing experience.

Del: Yeah. I love you so much.
ZZ: – I love you, too.

(Ava, off camera) That’s great.