Mutt Boy: How did you enjoy this shoot today?

SAINT: I loved the shoot today. I love being able to give people lots of physical touch so it was very, very satisfying for me and very fulfilling.

Mutt Boy: It was very satisfying on the receiving end. I am always down to like relinquish some of that control, because I also enjoy switching a lot, and I feel like I don’t really have that space often to where like, someone is like literally a professional coming into this and doing what they do for work on me. And that’s just like a level of, I don’t know, connection that feels really good. And I’m really thankful for that. Thank you.

SAINT: I love that. Yeah, my pleasure!

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: What, if anything, was challenging about the shoot for you?

Mutt Boy: I think like playing with someone for the first time that you’re meeting them. That’s a challenge sometimes just mentally. But honestly we negotiated before and just felt like a natural chemistry with you.

SAINT: Yeah.

Mutt Boy: Maybe, yeah, just being in a room full of people that are new to you. But in general, I was very much with you. And you made it really easy. And again, you’re a professional. You, like, know what you’re doing! So it’s a lot easier to just be like, yeah, he’s got me.

SAINT: I love that.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: Yeah. I would have to say probably the same. Like just coming into it, not knowing you.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: But also like. Yeah. Like feeling you beforehand and really trying to like, yeah, punctuate myself as well to just you know, also make you feel good physically. In the time because usually I do really long massages.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: So like yeah like punctuating myself and –

Mutt Boy: Abbreviating yourself!

SAINT: Abbreviating myself! Yeah, that was a challenge but, in the end it felt like really natural and really like flowed very easily in my body.

Mutt Boy: Yeah. Yeah. I felt that.

(laughing)

SAINT: What are your safer sex practices and why?

Mutt Boy: I test before any fluid exchange with any person and just regularly, routinely, get tested. And if there is fluid exchange, well, without a test, there wouldn’t be. But if there is any level of play that will include fluid but not, you know, fluid to fluid exchange, using a barrier or hands.

SAINT: Yeah.

Mutt Boy: Yeah, I think that’s pretty much how I’ve always done it. In sex work, yeah.

SAINT: Same. Yeah, I have to. I feel like for me, like, definitely being consistent with testing is is prime. But even sometimes, like, you know, there are moments where you something happens in between testing. So like, yeah, just being in deep communication and trust with like, my partner and yeah, being responsible and not exchanging fluid if there’s like any second thought.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: No matter how confident or sure I feel. That’s when you know things can yeah can be mistaken and then. Yeah using condoms especially when I’m with cis partners – cis men specifically.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: Feels super important to me. Just because I’m, yeah.

Mutt Boy: It’s also so fun to play with, like, the boundary, you know?

SAINT: Yeah, totally.

Mutt Boy: You can get creative with what you have.

SAINT: Yeah, 100%. And that’s the thing too that I love. It’s like there’s so many aspects of sex that I love that have nothing to do with penetration or fluids. There’s so much to explore with that. And if you’re in open communication then you can have the most profound time.

Mutt Boy: Yeah. Yeah totally. Aside from sex work I’m a polyamorous human. And there’s people that I advocate for, including myself and that I’m looking out for. And so it’s just standard. That’s what makes the most sense to me. I want everyone to have informed consent and be able to make decisions with like, the full, you know, range of everything. I don’t know, I just – that’s ethical. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

SAINT: Yeah. I feel like it’s really important to give people the choice of what happens with their body.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: And say my main partner, has PCOS* (PolyCystic Ovary Syndrome) so any kind of, any infection, can be really, really detrimental to her health. So my big. Yeah, my number one rule is to keep everybody who I care about safe. If I’m playing with a partner, chances are I care about you. So, yeah, I want you to be safe. And I want you to also be able to make the decisions for your body that are right for you.

Mutt Boy: Yeah. I really hope to destigmatize STIs and STDs. because it’s just like a conversation.

SAINT: It’s just a conversation. It literally takes just a conversation.

Mutt Boy: Yeah. And you can do you still can play with someone that does.

SAINT: 100%. And the more that you talk about that and destigmatize STIs and and the more that that can happen, the more that people can realize that, like, they don’t have to hide their status. And feel shame around it. There’s ways where you can enjoy yourself and feel pleasure too and have a sexually transmitted infection. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Hundred percent.

Mutt Boy: Go us.
SAINT: Yeah. Go us! Look at us, changing the world. Casual.

(laughing)

SAINT: If you’ve done porn before, why do you continue to do it? And if you don’t why did you come today?

Mutt Boy: I do porn, yeah, I crave being represented and there’s like so many little things. Like just the fact that I tape and, like, we’re pre-op and I want exposure for that. I, a lot of people are post-op and so I just I love to be desired. Yeah. I love to be represented. And I think it’s just a really fun way that I’ve always enjoyed connecting with people. And it’s always come really natural. Yeah. I love sex work and I don’t see it stopping in my life, honestly.
What about you?

SAINT: Honestly, a lot of the same sentiments. Like, for one, the representation is a big part of it. Like being a Black trans man who is very sexual and very open and like, very comfortable. I feel like it’s almost my job to to represent, whereas other people may not have the capacity to. I feel like I definitely have the capacity to be a positive example of, of sexuality and of being a Black trans man. And yeah, that that is a big part of it. And also, I just love giving pleasure and receiving pleasure, and I love having that be something that isn’t taboo and something that can be seen and shared in a way that’s also an integrity.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: And that’s like always the part to me that feels a lot of the time missing and in the way that sexuality is shared, especially in America, it’s usually something that’s unwanted or something that’s like forced upon you or I really, really believe that when we can show our sexuality as queer people, as trans people, and it’s in integrity and in love, it’s a beautiful thing.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: And it’s important to have that representation be present.

Mutt Boy: Even being neurodivergent and like that category of person.

SAINT: Hundred represent.

Mutt Boy: Yeah. The representation that we can check is really fucking cool.

SAINT: It really is. It feels really good.

Mutt Boy: Yeah.

SAINT: So now. If you could be any sex toy, what would it be?

Mutt Boy: I think it would be my gorgeous Satisfier curvy. Non-sponsored! (laughing) Suction. I’m just. I’m obsessed with it. It’s beautiful.

SAINT: Nice.

Mutt Boy: That wouldn’t be the esthetically pleasing – Like, I would be a shiny butt plug. Yeah, but, like, I want to bring pleasure to people.

SAINT: Yeah. You’re functional. You’re fully functional. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Ooh.

Mutt Boy: What about you?

SAINT: What would I be? I don’t know, I’m a Gemini, so I feel like I’d be, like, all over the place. One day, I’m a butt plug…
Mutt Boy: – What day is it?
SAINT: What day is it? One day I’m like… I feel like like, sparkly pink and blue unicorn dildo with, like, SUCTION.

Mutt Boy: What!

SAINT: Yeah, that feels chaotic enough to me, but not too large. Yeah, like seven inches. But thick.
Mutt Boy: – It’s daily sustainable.

SAINT: Yeah, sustainable. This is something I can put inside me on the regular, and I don’t feel fucking, horribly brutalized about, you know. Yeah, something like that. Something pretty, something fun though. Like, I don’t want pretty and boring. I want pretty and fun. Yeah. That feels like me.

Mutt Boy: Honestly, respect. I’m simple. Reliable.

SAINT: Yeah, I like that! Simple and functional!

SAINT: Yeah, but we go together! Both sides, whatever you want. You got it here.

SAINT: You can have simple functional, you know. And over the fucking top.

Mutt Boy: Do you have a pink in blue sparkly dildo?

SAINT: I don’t but I want one. I was just at a sex store two days ago, and I saw one.

Mutt Boy: Next purchase?

SAINT: $250 bucks, that’s a lot of coffee. I gotta make a lot of espressos for people if I’m going to…

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(Laughing)

SAINT: Any closing statements?

Mutt Boy: Yeah. This was incredible. And it’s just nice to go into a scene with somebody and just have chemistry already. And all these parallels in life and just be able to let go and I’m really glad I flew in for this.

SAINT: Same, same. I feel really just like, I don’t know, delightfully surprised, but like, you know, from connecting with you, I, I felt like there was something more, you know, obviously more than just what we’re going to do in this bed together. But yeah, just. Yeah, very delightfully surprise. A lot of intention. Very. Yeah. Very, very lovely. Just.

Mutt Boy: Wow. Yeah. What are we? (laughing)

SAINT: I’ll fly in more!

(Laughing)