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CREW: Ah, thank you. Wonderful, amazing. (Inaudible) (Laughter) So what we’re gonna do now is maybe a little bit more of the photography and then have it to generate and then we’ll follow you, and just keep following you. (Inaudible)Generate. I’m trusting you.

STEALTH MACHINE: How did you like the shoot today? (Laughs)
DREW DEVEAUX: I really liked it, I really liked it I um, think that it was one of those shoots where I had a good feeling from the moment, I mean like you know it’s one of those things where it’s like the right ingredients, the right people. Really great people to work with that is really, it just. So I didn’t feel apprehensive, I didn’t feel uncertain. I appreciated that we had time to talk, or converse in some electronic format or whatever before just to sort of check in with each other which is great so you know I think that what happened is just you know a product of all those really great ingredients (laughs) and you’re hot.
DREW: How did you like it?
STEALTH: It was uhm, it was not what I was expecting. It was really great
DREW: Yeah?
STEALTH: I think I was anticipating being a lot more nervous and a lot less prepared. And then the days coming up to the shoot I was feeling a lot more comfortable than I thought I was going to. And I think, again, a lot of it had to do with knowing that I really love the producers and I really love working with you as a photographer for (Inaudible) Was getting to know you there
DREW: mmhmm
STEALTH: so it was good to feel that comfortable about it and (Inaudible) was really hot. I really, it was great. I’m feeling wobbly still.
DREW: good
STEALTH: yeah
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DREW: What did you find challenging about the shoot?
STEALTH: nothing. Well, ok that’s a lie (laughs) I think I had a lot of dialogue with myself about how much of my body I wanted to show, and um a lot of the reasons that I wanted to this was for fat visibility and so it was really challenging for me in the weeks coming up, challenging myself to like take off my binder and show my belly was tough. But it actually in the moment wasn’t like you took off my binder and I was like whatever. So I felt fine. And then all the fucking was really great, there were no challenges (laughs) How about you? What were your challenges?
DREW: Other than getting in the front door? But that was minor. Uhm, I think I’m always like trying to, I think it’s something that I find challenging in porn in general is finding a voice that I’m comfortable with. I think that, whereas I’m not self conscience at all about my body, but I think I’m sometimes I’m self conscience about my voice which is definitely a different aspect of myself then when I’m not on camera so I think I’m always trying to find ways of expressing myself that are genuine but that also don’t push me too far and don’t require me to start thinking about it constantly while I’m shooting because I don’t want to have that level of stuff going on in my head. So that’s like broad challenge you know I think its. I don’t know much in the way of other challenges, I really enjoyed working with you, knowing it was your first time, that it could be a challenge, but actually I don’t find it that way, I think that people have a knack for it
STEALTH: Yes!
DREW: definitely, I think you were really hot and fun and responsive and not nervous, at least it didn’t come across in any big way, it was fun to work with you
STEALTH: You’re making me blush, which isn’t hard, but you’re making me blush still. Thank you

CREW: can you hold on right there. Sorry, sorry guys do you wanna raise up and use a chair so that we can get you, you’re (inaudible) Action
Get a little closer, I think (inaudible) awesome, beautiful, looking great. Now just don’t go anywhere. Don’t come yet (laughter) ok we’re good. Still rolling and whenever you guys are ready
DREW: So why did you wanna do it the first time?
STEALTH: I went back and forth for a really long time about whether or not I really wanted to do it. Definitely a lot of stuff came up around Future careers and whatever and then I realized that my political career was already shot, uh so who cares and then I also realized that to me uhm seeing my body on screen was really fucking important and I really enjoyed, I enjoy watching CrashPad and working with queer pornography in other ways as a photographer, and I got really, I realized that I was frustrated that there wasn’t more like fat bodies on screen and that there weren’t more trans-masculine people on screen and I was like why am I bitchin about it and not doing anything about it, so I decided to do it and I feel really comfortable with the producers and knowing the ethics behind Pink and White and I felt really comfortable doing it.
DREW: Cool
STEALTH: Why do you keep doing it?
DREW: Why do I keep coming back?
STEALTH: Mmhmm
DREW: uhm, The initial reason I got into porn is kind of analogist as to what you said like around representations not even representations cause liken there were none, but inclusion.. the words I struggle with, I need to write an entire book on it, and I probably will but uhm just the presence and celebration and adoration of queer trans-women in porn was something that I, I really bitched about I have blog entries going back to 2006, 2007 they probably you know, I didn’t trash talk CrashPad, but certainly just showing it out there like this is some really great work but its’ not necessarily doing stuff and a lot of things have changed over the years which is really great and it’s no one ever gets anything perfect and we’re always having to check what we’re doing, and where we’re going and how we’re working and stuff and it’s really cool I know that it’s been a process that a lot of folks who make queer porn are doing which is fucking rad. It’s like the best most ethical business I think out there so I’m kind of doing it because it’s like yeah, it’s a great, I mean I keep doing it because I still think that there needs to be more and I think that it’s not just about inclusion, but I kinda do wanna be there as a bit of a heartthrob
STEALTH: (laughs) let’s get honest
DREW: Yea, I mean I do, if that makes sense. I don’t wanna just be there. In some way I wanna be there and I wanna be important and part of it. I keep being involved in porn because I do have so many ideas that often when I’m shooting and it comes to me I’m always thinking about angles and stuff like that, and half as a performer and half as how it’ll look and ideas and stuff so I really know that I’ll probably end up transitioning .. No pun intended.. behind the camera. We’re getting really (inaudible). Here
STEALTH: I think one of the cool things
DREW: That could be in the next shoot that we do
STEALTH: Oh yeah, I think that also what’s rad about doing it over and over again is that when people see themselves represented on screen it encourages them to do it, or it makes it more normalized and more exciting for people to , cause I think that a lot of the reasons that people that look like me aren’t on screen is because they feel like they’re not desirable and they feel like they’re not gonna be desired by people who are consuming porn, and so hopefully, I mean I know that some of the stuff that really encouraged me to get on screen were performers like gender-queer performers like Jiz Lee, and Five Star, and having seen those genders represented and also performers like Leo and Q who did, who are like Q especially I know that for her a lot of it was getting on screen and being a person of size, a fat person on screen and it’s really empowering to see that, so hopefully I’ll pass it on. Just a bunch of really hot, fucking fat, trans masculine person would be great, and they’ll fuck on the screen and I can watch it and it’ll be great

DREW: Yeah, I mean it’s really kind of cool to think that, I mean I’m definitely around, I’ve done some work with folks in Toronto, trying to really challenge ablest ideas of beauty and attraction and work with that kind of thing and also like fat bodies and I know Eli Claire is really cool in how he talks about the inner sections of you know being a disabled trans guy and also brings in the way that fat bodies are also basically have, they’re just not not normalized, they have the central piece of that they’re whole sexuality, not just attractiveness but their whole presence of even sexual being is often taken away, and I think it’s really fucked up
STEALTH: I really like it when you talk about queer theory and queer porn, it turns me on
DREW: Yeah
STEALTH: I like you’re brain
DREW: I think it’s kind of cool like to acknowledge the community I guess around stuff I feel that especially just having last week being in Toronto although there was a lot of other people coming from places from Europe and New Zealand and California and many other places just to sort of meet up for the feminist porn awards and I think it’s just really, it kind of moved me in a way, and Shine and Jiz, and Courtney, and April and everyone in how the work that they’re doing and just feeling like you’re , it’s humbling in a way certainly cause I really respect these people but it does feel like there is work and there’s a shared vision and very important distinctions to me and that’s something that’s really really exciting to feel that happening and to feel increasing recognition which is you know, and I know Jiz writes a lot about the pros and cons and things like that on their blog and at the same time it’s really interesting to have that and so it’s kind of cool to be like , to have things change and grow.. I don’t know why I’m saying that
STEALTH: I totally agree
DREW: Yeah, I wish you had been there but
STEALTH: I know, I had to live vicariously through Twitter, but it’s ok. Maybe eventually next year
DREW: Sure, okay
STEALTH: Toronto, be there 2011
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CREW: Awesome, thanks you guys!