Minax is laying in the bed.
Shine Louise Houston: That was awesome. That was great.

Minax and Nicolai Notwithstanding are sitting on the bed talking about the shoot.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: So, how did you like the shoot?
Minax: I liked it very much, thanks. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. How about you?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I liked it. It’s a little odd to be in a different space and get going…
Minax: Yeah.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: But not that odd!
Minax: Mmhmm, what did you like about it particularly?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: The sex. That’s always the best part.
Minax: Any particular aspect of the sex that you…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Well that last orgasm was pretty special, as those things go.
Minax: Mmhmm. That was my first time sucking you off on camera.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: That’s true.
Minax: That was a big deal for me.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: And what’s not to like about a blowjob?
Minax: What’s not to like about a blowjob?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Always my favorite part is when I stick my big ol’ paw in you and you go, you give me that look like, “Goddamn it, you did it again? That quick?” And then I’m fucking your brains out, and then you’re squiring all over, and that moment is always my favorite, as you know.

Cut to Minax laying on the bed with Nicolai Notwithstanding out of the shot to the right behind Minax.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: It’s okay honey, it’s time I stuff that big paw up there, you’re ready for it.
Minax: [gasps] Not the big paw!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Well you sucked me off. What’d you think was going to happen?

Cut to Minax laying back with her legs up, and Nicolai Notwithstanding fisting her.
Minax: [moans]
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I should’ve told you that was coming but I never do.
Minax: Cooked. Cooked. Cooked!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: One more
Minax: No!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yes!
Minax: No!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I know there’s one more in there.
Minax: No please, thank you. Please?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I can feel it
Minax: I’ll feed you steak.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Can you give it to me later?
Minax: I’ll feed you steak first.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Okay.

Cut to them sitting on the bed again.
Minax: I’d said oh it’d be fun to do the burglar thing, because that was one of our first ways of…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah. The first time she and I ever got it on, she took me up to her dungeon and tortured me. I mean, we have photographs of me doing things that I, seriously, electric chair trying to hold myself off of those plates and [yelps]. Good god, what she didn’t do to my poor little part, too. Tied it off with dental floss all kinds of things and after several hours…
Minax: Electricity…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah, yeah!
Minax: Pumping…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: And then after several hours, though, I was…
M Pissed in your boots…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: You did! My brand new boots, god, how I loved them.
Minax: I wore them and then…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I got them for my 40th birthday and then she got them and said “Ooh these look like my size” and started stomping around, and I said okay, I can handle it, she’s a beautiful woman, she can wear my boots. But then when she pissed on me and I could see that trickle of pee, the first trickle of pee drop down into my boots, and it wasn’t even mine! [laughs] That’s when I knew I was giving it up.
[They both laugh]
Nicolai Notwithstanding: So but then, the fucks my brains out and leaves me tied off for a while and I’m like, “Um, by the way, can I have my part back?” and she’s like “OH! Is that thing still on there, let me cut it off for you! Got a pocket knife…okay.” [laughs] Then the next morning I was supposed to sneak into her bedroom and get her. She basically just told me how it was going to be and I was like, okay, yeah, actually I have no problem stepping up for that, those are things I do. But actually creeping in there to fuck her first thing in the morning after that really intense scene…
Minax: Well, what you would call first thing in the morning, I would call middle of the night. Just to clarify. Five o’ clock…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Okay, it was five thirty. For me it’s first thing in the morning. For her it’s the dead of night
M [laughs]
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Small differences there. I woke up naturally, ready to go.
Minax: I was asleep…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: And she was asleep, she was out. But it worked out pretty well.
Minax: Yeah it did. The whole household heard it.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: So that’s why she decided the little theme to replicate it there, since it was the first porno shoot for me. But what happened usually happens with us, we start out with a narrative and [hand motion] whoop, there it goes [like out the window], shortly after we start fucking because we’re us and we’re fucking and it’s good.

Cut to Minax laying on the bed on her side. Nicolai Notwithstanding is laying behind her.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Next time you get burglars around this joint why don’t you get some gloves that fit them?
Minax: [cough/laugh] ???
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Isn’t that nice?
Minax: Is it nice?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Where’d you get that?
Minax: They’re worn out west.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Really? Really??
Minax: Yeah!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Sooner or later I will get in this glove. Okay, this is for you by the way. [brings out a Hitachi]
Minax: Oh goodness!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Mmhmm.
Minax: You sure you want me to drive?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah. Not really. Not really!
Minax: Gentle. Gentle!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: That was gentle.
Minax: Oh god.

Cut back to them sitting on the bed.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: The only thing that was challenging for me at all was I had to get used to the click-click-click of shutter of the manual camera, and because she did it in a relative rhythm it was easier to get used to it. So that probably took me…even when I was getting that first blowjob, every now and then I could hear it, but it didn’t really seem to distract me significantly, so that was the only thing that took some getting used to, and that was minor. We’re old time players; we’re used to playing around other people. So you guys just being here doesn’t throw me off. The cameras don’t throw me off because I’m not paying attention to them. I’m paying attention to her.
Minax: Yeah I didn’t really have any major challenges that I’m aware of, or even any minor ones. The closest thing to a minor one would be the realization when you were on top of me in that initial moment, that, “I’m going to bottom in front of a camera, something that I don’t usually do.” But it didn’t obviously impede me. That’s the closest thing I would say to a challenge was just that sort of psychological moment of falling down the rabbit hole “Whoa, here we go, woo!”

Cut to Minax laying in bed with covers over her and NN behind her.
Minax: Any way to slow you down?
Director: That was great, the closeup looks really, really good.
…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Oh, my goodness.
Minax: You’re no longer a virgin.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Really? Gee…
Minax: I mean as far as video shoots go.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Oh…

Cut back to them sitting on the bed.
Minax: You’ve never done porn before, huh?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Nope.
Minax: Right.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Unless you count the shots for FetLife…
Minax: Shots for FetLife don’t count.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Come on, man!
Minax: So tell me why you decided to do this porn with me today.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: ‘Cause you asked me to, and it seemed like fun. That’s essentially it. But also, my dad used to work for Mitchell Brothers. I felt like it was in my blood. I felt like it was something I would do, actually…
Minax: Bring on the red hot poker!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yes, that was one of his lines.
Minax: So you’re continuing the legacy but also because this is a special treat for me.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah. But also because, and this may not have been our best rendition of it, a poor one, I actually think that we have spectacular sex and that the world should know. I have that feeling.
Minax: I’ve done a fair amount of porn, primarily as a top or dominant, but I really wanted to do it for that same reason, that I think we have spectacular sex and I wanted it documented. And I didn’t want to put a camera in the corner like that, I wanted it truly documented and I’m really happy that it worked out. And although it wasn’t maybe the best rendition, as you put it…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: It was pretty good.
Minax: …it was pretty good. It was excellent. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. But as far as representing the stellar sex…it would be intense.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: It *would* be intense.
Minax: A lot of people think that porn is trashy and horrible and all that, and I’m actually going to be teaching a class soon called “Low Down and Dirty: Transcendence in Filth.” And the reason why I created this class is I feel people see porn as filthy, trashy, gross, horrible stuff and what I’d like to try to express or even demonstrate is how pornography can actually be spiritual and beautiful. And I really feel like that was porn, we were having intense fun sex and all that, but there was that space of growing closer together and being connected and sharing that with others obviously in this instance. What do you think about that?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Well it’s hard for me to imagine the other, the spectator. I’ve always had difficulty with that concept. Who is that person, or who are those people, and what are their individual reactions? So I don’t know how people are going to see that.
Minax: But what do you think of porn?M:
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Porn is trashy? Yeah, porn is trashy. But that’s good. In my view, trash is good. Nothing’s wrong with trash.
Minax: But can you even have transcendence in filth, for example?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: You can have transcendence in…goodness, you know how I feel about that.
Minax: Well I do, but…the camera’s rolling here and the cameras can’t read your mind.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Indeed! Even though you can…
Minax: Yeah!
Nicolai Notwithstanding: No, actually, I think one of the greatest things about sex in general, and particularly bdsm play is that it takes what’s gritty and uncomfortable and unpleasant and sometimes viscerally…turn-off…
Minax: Repugnant..
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah…squick?
Minax: Yeah, a turn off, repulsion…
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Squicky is a common term. And through that, something I’d called transcendence in so far that it gives a sense of great connectedness and joy, and the joy that comes out of that often feels scrubbed and sparking clean somehow, and cleansing. I haven’t figured out…I’ve spent a lot of time actually thinking about how that works, how the dirty and the dangerous and the terrifying turn us on and through that we transcend into something more beautiful. I have some vague theories about how that works, but I know it does, and I’m interesting in showing it. It’s one of the reasons I play in public. I don’t know whether it can work on film like this.
Minax: Yeah
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I don’t know under the circumstances. And for those obvious reasons, we don’t film play parties, where people are really getting going and that kind of transcendence is really happening in a space.
Minax: I think it can happen on film. I felt like it happened for me today a little, don’t you feel a little squeaky clean now?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah! See, shiny, fresh-fucked glow!
Minax: Can I tell you something?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Yeah.
Minax: Your eyes are golden.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: Well, they always are when I’m happy. And you make me feel good. So, to a certain degree, if that’s represented, that’s terrific, better than anything, but also if the sex was hot that’s also good.
Minax: Fair enough. Thanks for having us. Should we say thank you to Crash Pad?
Nicolai Notwithstanding: We do thank you! It was fun.
Director: Oh, thank you.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: I really enjoyed it. And you guys are like…
Minax: I hope you like how I brought in that little key thing at the end…
Director: Yeah! It’s good.
Minax: I like to keep the thematic going.
Nicolai Notwithstanding: After that last orgasm I was like “What’s happening next?”
Minax: Okay, great!