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Shine Louise Houston: Go ahead and start rolling.

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Shine Louise Houston: Alright.

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T. Crane: Yeah let’s sync.

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Speaker: [CLAP]

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Maggie: How did you enjoy the shoot today?

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Tender: I enjoyed it very much.

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Tender: I wanted to like do —

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Tender: work with CrashPad and then like

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Tender: specifically work with you for a while so

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Tender: yeah I had an absolute blast.

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Tender: How did you enjoy the shoot?

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Maggie: I, I loved it.

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Maggie: I like, I loved the

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Maggie: last time I saw you we were rooming in a

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Maggie: hotel together and we never saw each other

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Maggie: because you were because it was at a big

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Maggie: event.

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Tender: Yeah. I was volunteering.

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Maggie: So I love that even though we have like

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Maggie: stayed in a hotel together it was

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Maggie: like not fun sexy times.

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Maggie: And so we like planned a trip to come out

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Maggie: here and it just made it feel like super,

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Maggie: like super good friends time.

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Tender: Oh yeah I got that same feel.

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Tender: Was awesome.

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Maggie: What was challenging if anything?

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Tender: Nothing really.

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Tender: Like, I — what

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Tender: I like about doing queer porn is I don’t

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Tender: have to focus on like squirting and stuff.

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Tender: I don’t have to focus on anything that’s

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Tender: hard for me to do. I just kind of get

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Tender: to be me. What was challenging about the

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Tender: shoot for you?

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Maggie: I just always get really nervous whenever

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Maggie: I’m doing.

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Maggie: Whenever I’m doing a scene with

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Maggie: um with a new person and I’m like I’m,

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Maggie: like a masochistic exhibitionist.

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Maggie: So I always worry that like I’m gonna like

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Maggie: accidently say something triggering or

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Maggie: like accidently like scratch too hard.

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Maggie: And so like

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Maggie: with anything like the biggest challenge

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Maggie: is just getting over a little voice in my
head being

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Maggie: like you’re terrible at sex.

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Tender: Oh I

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Tender: know that voice.

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Maggie: But it’s that the voice quieted up pretty

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Maggie: quickly with you. So it was good.

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Maggie: Oh my God. Ohhh.

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Maggie: What

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Maggie: are you safer sex practices and why?

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Tender: I don’t engage in genital-to-genital

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Tender: sex anymore these days because

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Tender: it just doesn’t affirm me.

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Tender: It doesn’t really feel good.

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Tender: It’s hard to maintain an erection on like

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Tender: hormone therapy, stuff like that.

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Tender: So I get

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Tender: tested every few months. I’m on PrEP
Truvada.

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Tender: Good stuff.

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Tender: My doctor is like oh

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Tender: you are engaged in something other than

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Tender: like monogamous heterosexual sex here take

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Tender: PrEP. Yeah. So but like

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Tender: hey I mean it’s a good precaution.

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Tender: So, I kind of take the risk with like,

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Tender: partners and oral and rimming

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Tender: and I don’t really…

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Tender: Sometimes I use like dental dams but those

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Tender: are my practices. What

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Tender: are your safer sex practices?

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Maggie: I’ve been like really evolving in the last

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Maggie: year.

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Maggie: Because I’ve had a slight renaissance and

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Maggie: I’ve been like sleeping with people in

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Maggie: different areas and like learning how
different

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Maggie: regions have like different cultures

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Maggie: around safer sex.

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Maggie: Oh yeah. So like going from Seattle to

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Maggie: New York was kind of kind of a shift in

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Maggie: a lot of ways. I got on PrEP

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Maggie: a few months ago which was which has been

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Maggie: really great.

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Maggie: It’s just I know I’ve I had I had a

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Maggie: friend pass away from like AIDS

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Maggie: like within a week after getting diagnosed
so I

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Maggie: was just like this is great that we live

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Maggie: in an age where this is where you have

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Maggie: this.

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Tender: Seriously.

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Maggie: Like I’ve got, and

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Maggie: I’ve got my IUD and I

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Maggie: just feel like having those daily things
where

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Maggie: I can take care of myself and my needs just

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Maggie: makes me feel better like I don’t have to

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Maggie: police my partners.

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Tender: That’s the way to go. I don’t like the

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Tender: super paranoid approach.

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Maggie: Why do you keep doing porn?

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Tender: Gosh many answers.

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Tender: Like one, I’m a Leo Moon so…

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Maggie: Leo Sun!

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Tender: Yeah.

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Maggie: High Five!

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Tender: So got to just like you know I

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Tender: gotta I have

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Tender: to put myself out there also I’m a major

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Tender: exhibition slut. And three, I

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Tender: consider myself good at it. And I like

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Tender: doing what I’m good at and I enjoy doing

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Tender: and I really like putting myself out there

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Tender: as a queer and

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Tender: trans person of color especially because

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Tender: there is a history of like the

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Tender: way that trans people are expected to be

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Tender: in mainstream porn and fuck

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Tender: that shit.

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Tender: So like I don’t know when I do my stuff I

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Tender: never like really show my strapless that

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Tender: much kind of a thing.

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Tender: I just I hate chasers and they can all

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Tender: fucking die. I love what I do and I want

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Tender: to put myself out there and because I

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Tender: didn’t have any like really role models in

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Tender: developing my eroticism so maybe

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Tender: someone can be like oh she’s

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Tender: really hot; I’m hot too.

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Tender: It’s kind of like a goal of mine.

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Maggie: Also there should just be more buff women

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Maggie: everywhere.

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Tender: Yes yes there should be.

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Tender: Oh fuck…

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Tender: Why

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Tender: do you keep continue to do porn?

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Maggie: It’s fun. I decided a

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Maggie: while ago that I I didn’t want to do any

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Maggie: long term jobs that I hated doing.

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Maggie: And porn is something that I can just like

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Maggie: kind of flit in and out of in between

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Maggie: doing other kinds of sex work and doing

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Maggie: nightlife performance.

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Maggie: I really like having chances to like

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Maggie: explore eroticism

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Maggie: with people and to like

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Maggie: showcase different kinds of eroticism

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Maggie: and one of the things I like is like I

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Maggie: worked with some porn companies where they

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Maggie: wanted me to be really performative and
they didn’t want they

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Maggie: didn’t want authenticity.

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Maggie: And like I couldn’t

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Maggie: react normally.

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Maggie: And what I like about doing queer porn or

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Maggie: more like independent porn is that I

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Maggie: can laugh as much as I want because I

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Maggie: really I laugh a lot during sex especially

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Maggie: if I’m doing like really like fucked up

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Maggie: like like knife play getting

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Maggie: the shit beat out of me. Like I just

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Maggie: laughed so much.

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Maggie: Like sometimes you know raised

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Maggie: pseudo Catholic I like even though I’m

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Maggie: like I’m totally off footloose fancy free

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Maggie: person there’s still that

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Maggie: voice in my head like there’s a lot of

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Maggie: shame attached but with porn it’s like

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Maggie: someone has given me money

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Maggie: to show up and just be my sexual self and

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Maggie: there’s this great freedom in that. And

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Maggie: the fact that I can make money doing that.

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Maggie: Doing that feels like it’s such a fuck you

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Maggie: to capitalism it’s really nice. That’s

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Maggie: amazing. Do you want to say anything

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Maggie: else for America.

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Tender: For posterity.

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Tender: I have to navigate a world all the time as

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Tender: someone who is visibly queer and visibly

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Tender: trans and I can’t live quietly I can only

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Tender: live loudly I can’t be I can’t just

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Tender: like blend in and I don’t want to.

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Tender: I’ve done that and it fucking sucks and

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Tender: I would rather just be like loud

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Tender: and you

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Tender: know burn bright and that’s the only way I

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Tender: know how to exist.

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Tender: So that’s why it’s

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Tender: one of the reasons why I do this.

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Maggie: I would want to say to other femmes

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Maggie: because like this is a prime example like

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Maggie: we’ve known each other for years and I

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Maggie: feel like femmes often get wrapped up in

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Maggie: like oh I don’t want to be that I do want

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Maggie: to be that creepy guy and you don’t we

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Maggie: don’t hit on each other or compliment each

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Maggie: other at all and then five years later

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Maggie: you’re like Oh we could have sex together

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Maggie: because you’re like I like you and you

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Maggie: like me and oh that’s actually what

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Maggie: consent is.

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Maggie: And so like.

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Maggie: To the femmes out there or just

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Maggie: any… or just I mean this applies to a

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Maggie: lot of people I just.

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Tender: Oh yeah.

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Maggie: As a femme.

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Maggie: Tell your friends that you think that

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Maggie: they’re super hot like you can

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Maggie: compliment people without being creepy and

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Maggie: people like being told nice things about

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Maggie: themselves and maybe I’ll get to make out

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Maggie: and even if you don’t that’s still cool.

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Tender: Yeah I as a femme and as a trans woman I

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Tender: like really resonate with that hard.