And then uh, wait til I say action

Still rolling?

Yes.

(claps)

Ready?

(River Stark shakes head yes)

And action!

River Stark: So how did you enjoy the shoot today?

Viviane Rex: It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. (laughs)

River Stark: What was your, uh, favorite part about it?

Viviane Rex: Uhm, getting to make out with you.

(River Stark and Viviane Rex laughs)

River Stark: We do a lot of that at home.

Viviane Rex: That’s true. It’s still fun. It’s still my favorite.

River Stark: Mmhhmm. I like, I don’t know. I had a lot of fun today.

Viviane Rex: Good

River Stark: It’s always fun doing stuff with you.

Viviane Rex: Thanks, I try, you know.

River Stark: Oh geez.

(River Stark and Viviane Rex laughs)

River Stark: Uh, I don’t know. What’s your say on what’s fun?

Cut to scene.

River Stark: (moaning) (laughing) You fucking asshole. (moaning)

Viviane Rex: Not fun, is it?!

River Stark: No!

(River Stark & Viviane Rex laugh)

Viviane Rex: So, whats challenging? About the shoot?

River Stark: Uhm, You know, I really don’t think anything in particular wise, like, it was pretty laid back and we just did really did our own thing so…

Viviane Rex: So it was fun.

River Stark: What was, was there anything challenging for you?

Viviane Rex: Uhm, I don’t know, maybe not playing to the camera. Like, I don’t know.

River Stark: That’s always really, that’s always difficult.

Viviane Rex: Because it’s there…

River Stark: And you’re pretending that it’s not there.

Viviane Rex: Yea.

River Stark: And I don’t know, yeah. I think that, that would be it.

Viviane Rex: I feel like when you first start doing it, you like, you’re overconscious so you avoid the cameras

River Stark: Mmhhmm

Viviane Rex: But then you’re like, oh, wait a minute, I don’t wanna be like

River Stark: Kinda like

Viviane Rex: Hello camera, and I don’t wanna be like, what camera? What?

(River Stark & Viviane Rex laugh)

Viviane Rex: So you have to find that medium…

River Stark: That’s twisted everywhere.

(River Stark & Viviane Rex giggle)

Viviane Rex: I am not licking your feet.

River Stark: Why not? Just once.

Viviane Rex: No.

River Stark: No?

Viviane Rex: (Whispers No) Unless you’re gonna lick mine.

River Stark: So what are your safe sex practices and why?

Viviane Rex: Uhm, well obviously safe sex is important, to stop, you know, spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies, and that kind of stuff which I don’t really feel that happens a lot. Uhm, actually shooting porn. But uhm, I go and get tested and I, you know, make sure that whoever I’m having sex with is, you know, clean as well. I mean, by open communication about stuff like that, it’s important to…

River Stark: I think…

Viviane Rex: …Talk about stuff like that.

River Stark: Yeah, that’s kinda like one of the things that we been really good about since day one.

Viviane Rex: Yeah…

River Stark: Is talking to each other about it. Like really besides work and stuff, we don’t really do anything with anybody else so, just other performers and whatnot. Not saying that, I don’t think I wouldn’t do anything with anybody else, it’s just that, I don’t know, I feel safer with other performers and then…

Viviane Rex: Yeah, or someone that you’ve been with before. You know that’s not. Yeah.

River Stark: But yeah, testing is definitely a big thing. Even if you’re not, like a performer or something like that, testing is important.

Viviane Rex: Cause not everyone is open and honest…

River Stark: I know.

Viviane Rex: …which sucks but

River Stark: I don’t know how many people that I came across in school, you know, cause I’m like I’m open at school about being a performer and whatnot and I don’t know how many people I come across that be like, ‘oh, I’ve never ever been tested’ and I’m like ‘I get tested every two weeks’. (laughs) Like, how do you not know?! Like you need to know that stuff. And they like, I don’t know,

Viviane Rex: Yeah, I mean, when I was, when I first started having sex, I was not safe at all, and I’m…

River Stark: Oh God no.

Viviane Rex: …And I’m so glad that…

River Stark: Mmmhhhmmm

Viviane Rex: …you know, nothing has happened. So, and now, I mean, I’ve definitely learned from that and moving forward I’ve become really

River Stark: Mmhhhmmm. No, I, like I definitely agree, like, younger and stuff, I made a lot of really, really stupid decisions that I’m surprised that nothing bad happened because of it. Not just like, in terms of, coming up with some type of STI or anything like that, but just dangerous situations where I probably could have got???…

Viviane Rex: Yeah, killed, murdered, you know.

River Stark: I would actually consider that safe sex practices

Viviane Rex: I think so too

(River Stark & Viviane Rex laughs)

River Stark: Don’t do it with someone that’s gonna cut you to pieces.

Viviane Rex: Yeah, don’t.

River Stark: And that’s one like that’s also one of the things that kinda gets me like, I’m Trans, and you know, I’ve had two people try to murder me already…

Viviane Rex: Yeah

River Stark: …like, lets not add anything more to that so (laughs)

Viviane Rex: Yeah, I’ve done some sketchy stuff in some sketchy places but it was not

River Stark: Mmm

Viviane Rex: Yeah

(River Stark and Viviane Rex laughs)

Viviane Rex: Lucky (laughs)

(River Stark and Viviane Rex moaning)

River Stark: (moaning) Right there. (moaning) Ohhhhhh (moaning) babe

(River Stark and Viviane Rex moaning)

Viviane Rex: So why do you continue to do porn?

River Stark: Uhm, honestly, this is probably…. and I have to clarify it after I say it, the best job I have ever had. Like it’s a job, that isn’t a job. For one, and I get to go places and do things. Like we sat, and we went to Alcatraz yesterday….

Viviane Rex: Yeah

River Stark: …right, and that’s part of my deal, the coming here to do that. And I get to take other pictures, and I get to send those to people and say ‘hey, look at this. I could take some sweet, sweet pictures, hire me and stuff. And then, beyond that, like, it’s always interesting, it’s always changing, it’s never the same…

Viviane Rex: Yeah.

River Stark: …you get to meet cool new people. Right?!

Viviane Rex: Yeah

River Stark: I’ve met the most educated and intelligent people I know in the industry.

Viviane Rex: Yeah

River Stark: As opposed to like, the stereotypes of it.

Viviane Rex: Yeah, I feel like there’s a heavy stereotype of like a reject or like a dumb. Which, I mean, I fall under that cause I’m not educated but I’m also not dumb.

River Stark: No, you’re not. You’re definitely not.

Viviane Rex: I know….

River Stark: So why did you get into porn, and why are you continuing to do it?

Viviane Rex: Uhm, it’s something that I have always wanted to try, just to say that I had done it. And then, so, with my first shoot, I just, I realized that, it’s always been a part of like who I am, so it, it’s just a way for me to, to continue to be myself and you know, move myself forward. And, you’re right. Like it’s, it’s a job; you, you get paid to fuck people.

(River Stark laughs)

Viviane Rex: Pretty people. Pretty people. In pretty places. Like, who wouldn’t want that?! Who would say no to that?!

River Stark: No, but like, when you’re. You were just saying like, does being yourself and stuff like that. That’s, I think, kinda one of the reasons why I keep doing it to is like, I’m a trans person, and we don’t get told a lot that our bodies are desirable, or….

Viviane Rex: Well, I think your’s is pretty desirable…

(River Stark & Viviane Rex laughs)

River Stark: Thank you. So… like being in a place where, not only is my body configuration acceptable, but it’s… I don’t, I don’t know what you would want, what’s the best term

Viviane Rex: It’s revered because ….

River Stark: Again, again, not maybe, I mean, its not, it’s celebrated. There you go.

Viviane Rex: Yeah.

River Stark: That our bodies are ok. And I think that…

Viviane Rex: And wanting to do, like it doesn’t matter what you want to do

River Stark: Yeah. And just, I don’t know. It’s one of the very few places that I actually get a chance to be, and be me. If that, that really makes no sense.

Viviane Rex: It does

River Stark: But yeah….

Viviane Rex: (moaning) I don’t know if I could move.

(moans)

River Stark: Alright. Good? Ok.

(laughs)

(River Stark and Viviane Rex clapping)

Awesome.

Did you say cookies?!

Viviane Rex: Cookies?!

Like a reward.

You get cookies

River Stark: So is there anything else that you wanted to say?

Viviane Rex: Not really. I mean I, this is only my second, ya know, shoot so I hope that I get to learn more and continue to uh, I guess grow and change, and develop into my pornstarness. (laughs) I don’t know.

River Stark: Uhm.

Viviane Rex: What about you?

River Stark: Uhm, ahem, I see like I’m because I do stuff on multiple sides of the industry, I see a lot of problems with it. Like, in the mainstream aspect of it, like it’s too mass produced and I think it really takes away from any authenticity within any type of interaction.

Viviane Rex: Yeah, like I think it becomes kind of cookie cutter, but I don’t feel like that, like here.

River Stark: So, (ahem) I wish people would like, start to notice that and look around for, like CrashPad for a perfect example for things, you know, that are doing things differently.

Viviane Rex: Stepping outside of what…

River Stark: …yeah…

Viviane Rex: …the normal

River Stark:…don’t do the same stuff that everybody wants cause it’s not…

Viviane Rex: …it’s boring

River Stark: …it’s boring. It is boring.

Viviane Rex: …and it gets predictable. Like, you said, with the companies, like it ….

River Stark: And then, yeah. Mmhhhmm….do the same thing that makes money

Viviane Rex: Yeah, pushing boundaries and exploring other, uhm, whatever possibilities

River Stark: One of the other things that I think definitely needs to change and I don’t think that I see enough people talking about it, is trans performers. What, what we’re allowed to do. Like, I totally get somebody, you know, if you don’t want to shoot with me, fine, that’s your own personal choice.

Viviane Rex: Yeah.

River Stark: But if you’re running a company and you’re specifically not hiring trans performers then you’re clearly discriminating against trans people. And I think that that is something that not only trans performers need to take up but cis performers need to take up on behalf of trans performers. Like hey, we, we have such a smaaalllllllll amount of work available to us in comparison to cis people and then, like it’s even further limited by, you know, if you’re doing mainstream porn, or if you’re doing queer porn…

Viviane Rex: Yeah.

River Stark: Or you know, what exactly are doing. And none of the big, really big companies are doing it, and nobody is saying anything to them. They’re just like letting them continue on their way. But instead I see other people like yelling at queer companies or companies that are already shooting trans people like shoot more of us. Like no, go talk to like, Wicked. Why the fuck don’t they do it? Or go talk to Vivid. Why the fuck is Wicked or Vivid not shooting it?! You know. I don’t really and I think that, that’s and I think it needs to change. It needs to happen relatively soon.

Viviane Rex: I agree.

River Stark: So I’m just gonna fucking do it myself. Fuck those assholes.

Viviane Rex: You’re a badass.

(River Stark laughs)

Viviane Rex: Gotta work that in there don’t you. Uh huh

River Stark: I don’t know, that’s really all about it. I guess.

Viviane Rex: I don’t really have anything else either.

Thanks