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Shine: Hold on, there’s stuff*. I can already tell it’s going to be a little close. See like these two? Are going to be your mark and let’s see what that looks like, so I’ll say action, you’ll go in, you’ll go walk to your mark, OK, so you’re gonna wanna back up*
Tina Horn: Oh, right right right
Shine: not so far
TH: Casey… wh-what are you doing here?
Casey Grey: What’s it look like? I’m
Both at once: *inaudible*
Shine: OK, so, let’s start off with whoever wants to ask the first question, “So how did you like the shoot today?”
CG: Ooh, ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me! (TH: laughing)
TH: You always get to ask the first question!
CG: And I always get the last answer. Don’t I? OK, so how’d you like that the shoot today?
TH: I had a really good time. I… I really um. I love booking with you. We have a long-standing professional relationship that has an erotic component to it and our friendship sort of came out of our professional relationship and so then I think our friendship sort of ended up having an erotic component to it; specifically, a D/s component to it, where I don’t think that we’re ever going to go home together, but we play together a lot and in professional and non-professional contexts, and we’ve played with each others’ lovers and so and then there’s just… I don’t know it’s been really valuable to me in my sexual and kinky evolution to have somebody who is really on the same page with me to explore and to play out those dynamics. And you have a few more years under your leather belt than me, and you’ve taught me a lot, so I really wanted to archive that very special relationship that we have and it couldn’t have gone better as far as I’m concerned. How did you feel?
CG: I felt great about it, I feel like there is no one that I would rather make my first pornographic movie with, and yeah, and really starting to document our very very strange friendship.
TH: Yeah (laughing) It was hot, too, it was really hot, I love it when you beat me a lot and
CG: Yeah, totally, that’s why I do it.
TH: And I love being punished by you, I really like, I love role playing with you, I love looking into your eyes and really being like…
CG: Terrified?
TH: I really get terrified of you because I know
CH: Because you’ve seen me inflict my worst on people?
TH: (whispering) Yes ma’am and you’re a great fuck
CG: Oh, well thank you
TH: Yeah
CG: I do my best
TH: (whispering) yeah, yeah

TH: I forgot. I’m *inaudible*
(laughter in the background)
CG: Do you need me to fix this for you?
TH: No, I got it, now it’s working*
CG: *inaudible* She told me that I need to keep you on a tighter leash because you’re turning into a cock hungry slut.

CG: Alright, after that, after I started screaming at you
TH: After you scream at me, you said, uh, how did you forget? YOu said, “you know what it sounds like to me…”
CG: Oh, that’s right
TH: And then, and then I try to seduce you and then you *inaudible* slowly taking off my suspenders, and then you instruct me to take off all my clothes.
CG: right, check
TH: I what I’m realy getting is fucked**
CG: Right, we like that

TH: No wait, when you say, “When it comes to girls with (inaudible) do you want me to say that I get punished or do you want me to skip straight to trying to distract you.
CG: Skip straight to the trying to distract me.
TH: I should, yeah, not mention that I should be punished yet. Okay
CG: Yeah

TH: Did you find anything challenging today?
CG: The only thing that’s really challenging to me is that I’ve noticed that I get really accustomed to playing in one place, so it was very very strange for to be in a completely new space and to have to bring that top space with me, here was a little bit strange, but luckily I got to bring you with me, so it makes it much much easier to do that, but it was really interesting trying to figure out, okay, how do I make this work, where do I get my toys from, what am I supposed to, you know… where are my tie off points, like, how much room do I have everywhere, like this was really unexpected, but it all worked out
TH: Yeah you rolled with it
CG: Yeah
TH: Honestly it was the most relaxed and comfortable I’ve ever felt doing you before, I was, and I like the performative aspect and the whole production is a big part of what turns me on, and so, honestly, like, being on a set and learning and absorbing the technique that goes into making a movie and thinking about what it’s like for all of the people involve and everything goes into it totally gets me hot.
CG: Everything gets you hot
TH: Not everything,
CG: Almost everything!
TH: So yeah, it was challenging. I mean, it was different to play, we’ve played that scene before for the benefit of other people and when it’s about ultimately what they, what the other person wants, the third party decides, the two of us, and everything that we do, even if it’s, even if we’ve been commissioned to “do whatever want,” ultimately it’s the, the performance and the energy and the eroticism is in service to the other person, that’s how I feel about it anyway, so being able to be here and be in an environment where the people who are going to be aroused by it besides us are invisible, you know, they’re like,
CG: They’re all in your head
(laughter)
TH: The camera is sort of a stand in for vast legions of people who will be wanking to that scene until the end of time
CG: That’s exciting, I like that
TH: I know, I like it too,
CG: I can see them lined up in rows, just wank wank
TH: Just waiting for that scene to exist, yeah, but so, but because of this environment, and because of what I’ve seen in Pink & White, and what I’ve seen in the queer, sex positive, kinky, San Francisco, porno community and sex-work community at large, I feel like I can do the thing that really turns me on, and pretty much nothing turns me on more than the scene that we just played, and almost nothing is, there’s very few people that I really really love to do it with and you are certainly up there. CG: You’re gonna make me blush, or cry or both
TH: So honestly, that was a challenge that I was prepared for and that I was up to, and in the past I found it really challenged to get into the energy of a scene when there’s so much cutting and when there’s being conscious of cheating but I actually felt that the least today of any shoot I’ve done.
CG: Cool

CG: That’s right. You know what happens to dirty cock hungry little sluts that tell lies, don’t you?
Shine: Awesome
Camera: It was great, yeah
Shine: OK.
Shine: Maybe, if you could manhandle her a little more
CG: Aw man
Shine: so her ass ends up over there, because that’s going to be better for us to catch her with the spanking
CG: OK. So you want her head where and her ass where?
Shine: Her, like head here, and ass on the edge
CG: Ass over there? OK, I can do it.
Shine: Take it off and on. Thank you!

TH: Have you ever done anything like this before?
CG: I’ve never made porn before. This is,
TH: Welcome!
CG: I decided that I wanted to have my first experience doing this to document real sexuality, because I think that that really weird plastic porn has ruined an entire generation and it has ruined sex for a lot of people and that’s not cool because I like having sex and I feel like it’s a socially responsible thing to do – to put real sexuality out there in all of its forms and I have lots of fun doing it.
TH: And you have a sexuality that doesn’t get represented.
CG: It’s always badly represented, you know. Being into kink is always like this weird thing where you have to go to a house full of serial killers. Like, I actually had someone reference a movie about a serial killer that had, like, BDSM in it, to try to understand this part of my sexuality and I was like ok, that’s it, you have to go now.
TH: Yeah Yeah
CG: That’s enough now, people don’t, really don’t understand it, they don’t understand that it can be a wonderful and happy thing that you love doing. So I feel like it’s going to get that out there.
TH: Yeah I agree
CG: What about you, why do you keep making porno?
TH: So I’ve made a couple of movies and I really honestly have always wanted to, and like I mentioned before, living in the San Francisco bay area there there’s a really exciting movement of women and queer women and kinky sex-positive, awesome artists and activists who are making erotic movies, and you know, it took me like two years of doing different kinds of sex work to admit to myself that I wanted to do porn, and you know, it was… I had to get over the idea of that like, once I did it I would like never be able to get back or something like that, I had to work through it and then once I did it, I was like, oh, this is, you know, this is
CG: It’s a big deal
TH: Yeah, it’s a big deal, but it’s a big deal because it’s awesome, and because I love it and because it’s a, it’s something I’m really happy to be doing, and so I’ve made a couple of films for some um, ladies and with some ladies who I really admire, and I Want to make something for Shine. And I, really wanted… So I was watching, so I watch a lot of porn, and when I was watching Crash Pad Series, I was sort of watching all the scenes and there’s definitely some really awesome kinky scenes in there, but not a whole lot of like spanking and discipline scenes which is like, the number one thing that turns me on, as you know. And so I was like, okay, I’m going to apply to Pink and White, I’m going to do Crash Pad, I’m going to do a spanking scene, and, man, I just, the only logical person to do it with me would be Casey, but she’ll never go for it. And then I just sort of casually mentioned it to you, and you were totally down, and I’m really glad that you were because it went really well, and it was exactly what I had envisioned and what I wanted to get out of this shoot. Yeah
Shine: Is it possible for you to be on the other side of Tina, because that’s going to be are, you’re right handed.
CG: I’m right handed but, but I can, I can spank left handed.
Shine: OK, left handed.
Unknown*: She’s spankbidextrous.
CG: I’m just not quite as good with my left hand.
Shine: If it’s not, if it doesn’t feel right, don’t worry about it, we’ll figure it out.
CG: What happens?
TH: I get punished.
CG: That’s right.
CG: There’s another one for lying to me this morning.
CG: Is that what you wanted?
TH: yes Ma’am.
CG: I have had a really good time with the shoots that I have done, and like I said, worked with some incredible people, but, I can be kind of hard to come sometimes even though, like, it’s really really central to my identity in general, but specifically my specifically my sexual identity that I am an exhibitionist. And this is, like, something that I really, it’s like obvious but it was an even bigger deal to me to come out to myself and come out to people about them being queer was, like, admitting this like really true thing about myself that it’s hotter to me when there are cameras, or other people, or the more people the better, or an audience (whispering) especially an audience (laughter) and uh, and so, but but coming is the one place where I am the opposite of an exhibitionist and I get really self conscious and clam up and so, I came today on camera for the first time, and I wanted to do that for Shine, and um, and so I’m really happy that it happened, and thank you for spanking me the way I love to get spanked and fucking me the way I love to get fucked and roughing me up the way I like to get roughed and the super, super hot spring day helped, and um
CG: It makes everybody horny
TH: Yeah, Um, so I was, I was really happy about that, and just in case I ever forget that I am a cock-hungry slut, you wrote it on my kombucha lid.
Shine: Nice, nice!
CG: (laughter) That’s her, she’s a cock hungry slut
TH: Guilty as charged!
Shine: Thank you, that was awesome
TH: Yay!