Transcription by Kristi Swadley

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Jiz: So, how did you like the shoot today?
Dylan: It was really fun. I had a really good time. I really liked that toy that you brought for me… (fake cough)…supposedly. It was hot, it was really hot. I was a little bit nervous, like, what surprise do you have and what you were bringing out? But it was fantastic. And I had a really good time. I thought it was hot, so yeah…
Jiz: Yeah, me too. I was excited about bringing it. I told Shine about it. It’s called the Eleven by Njoy.
Dylan: The Eleven?
Jiz: Mmhmm.
Dylan: OK.
Jiz: From Babeland.
Dylan: Nice.
Jiz: And I wanted to surprise you with it, ‘cause I wanted to capture your reaction. ‘Cause it’s big and heavy, so…
Dylan: It’s so hot.
Jiz: I wanted that to be like an authentic reaction. Had you seen it before?
Dylan: I had. I had seen it at a store where I live now and had looked at it and thought, I mean ‘cause you know, I like the big ones basically and I thought, “I really want to try that, wonder what that would feel like,” and when you brought it out part of my surprise was like, “Yeahhh!” Well, I think that’s why immediately I was like, “Oh, that’s for me, that’s so exciting!” And I think you were like, “Uhhmm, selfish—it’s not all about you.” But I was like feeling…just genuinely excited to try it, which I did eventually and was very happy about it and it was really good.
Jiz: And I was really excited about doing a scene with you again, ‘cause I know you’re only in town for a short while and we were able to have this shoot happen.
Dylan: I’m glad that it could work out time-wise.
Jiz: Yeah. And I liked shooting with you before. Yeah. And the only shoot that we’ve done for Pink White has been like for the original Crash Pad.
Dylan: Oh, my god…which what…is 3 years ago at this point in time?
Jiz: Yeah.
Dylan: Yeah. And I was almost as nervous today as I was back then. Although now that we know each a lot better so well it’s not as nervous, but…yeah…and the not kissing was actually really hot. I was a little apprehensive about that, too, because I was like there’s no way I’m going to be able to do the whole scene and not, but as you saw I was like (puts her face in Jiz’s), “Uhhhhnnn, can I kiss your face?!” But I thought it was really hot. There was good tension there that I liked, so, yeah.
Jiz: I did like teasing you with the…
Dylan: Yeah, you were mean! I was surprised! I was like, “Wow…tease. That’s kind of nasty.” Then I bit you and then I got even with you, so that was good. That was what the bite was all about. I do enjoy the biting as a regular kind of thing, but that was mostly to get you back for all of the teasing.
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Dylan: Was there anything challenging about today?
Jiz: Challenging….Well, I just got over being sick, so I was worried I wasn’t going to be…have endurance. I was bedridden for a few days so I was like, “What if I can’t fuck long or hard enough?” I think that it was okay. I didn’t feel as strong as I usually feel, but…
Dylan: Yeah. Oh, I didn’t notice the difference.
Jiz: Yeah. It was challenging not kissing you ‘cause I do like kissing. I liked playing that it was an agreement with you and Trucker. That was really great.
Dylan: Mmhmmm. That was pretty cute.
Jiz: *whispers* Challenging… yep.
Dylan: Yeah, um, challenging things…I think (unintelligible) I’m just a little bit jetlagged because I flew in yesterday and got in really late at night and I think… like I couldn’t tell you what time it is right now. I have like no concept of time. Um, but, I was really excited and know that you and I have really great chemistry so I knew it was gonna be good, so other than that I don’t think I was feeling really challenged by anything…that I can think of. No, I had a good time. I really enjoyed being able to like laugh and be silly with you. That’s always nice when that can happen, ‘cause I’m kind of naturally a hambone, so it’s funny that we kinda got into that.
Jiz (sarcastic): Noo!
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Dylan: Nooo, I have no recollection of that. No outtakes exist of anything with you being ridiculous in the world. Um, yeah, but you know…usually you gott, like when the cameras are off now you can be silly, but when the cameras are on you have to be like, you know, “sexy face”. But I got to be silly sexy face, which is really fun, so…
Jiz: I like silly sexy face.
Dylan: I appreciate that. So thank you, that was nice.
Jiz: Yeah.
Dylan: Yeah.
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Dylan: Why do you continue to do porn?
Jiz: I will do porn as long as it’s available to me in a way that I like it, which for me is like doing queer porn, doing something that expresses sexuality the way I like to express it. I like being sexually out-there, an exhibitionist, etc. And I think that it’s a good cause essentially, and so as long as there is a product of pornography to be made and I’m asked to do it or it’s available to me, I’ll do it.
Dylan: Yeah, yeah. I continue to do porn… I think a lot… I resonate a lot with that (what Jiz said). I love showing empowered female sexuality, in terms of my being female-identified, and I love having fun on camera and showing that and showing that I’m enjoying it and having a good time, and that it’s a positive experience for me and I really enjoy being a person in the industry who is having that kind of experience, that’s having a positive time with and it’s not there because I’ve had anything challenging happen with that, it’s completely 100% empowered decision. And it’s also… I mean not to oversimplify, it’s just a really cool job. Like, I love sex, I have a really great time…I get to meet a lot of really fantastic interesting people. And with Pink & White I get to have a lot of sex with my friend and that’s great. When does that happen in the world in that respect? And sometimes like I’ll be shooting and I’ll be done and I’ll be like, and we’ll have had a really great shoot… and I’ll think, “This is just a spectacular job. I can’t believe I get paid to do this thing that so many other people do and love.”
I had an epiphany lately since I’ve moved away that when I’m not shooting I miss it because it’s, for me it’s increasingly more and more like creating art…and when I’m not making porn I feel less creative in my life. So, it’s a creative outlet that also teaches me a lot about my sexuality, about who I am, what I like, and all that sort of stuff. So, it’s a nice blending of a lot of things.
Jiz: There was something that you said… I think it was at a panel once…and it was about why I feel like also doing porn is not all about yourself and even overcoming some of your own, like, anxieties about things, and you said something about how you’re not going to…something about how… maybe you can help me remember exactly what you said…, unless you get over the blemishes or the, you know, pimple or whatever you have, then you’re not really going to love your body and so… yeah… can you remember what that was?
Dylan: I think I remember. I think I was talking about it in the context of, like, the first times I was shooting and viewing my imperfections the way I always had during sexual experiences, but realizing I was making a choice to have those captured on camera, and that unless I moved past that pretty quickly, it was going to really damage the experience for me. And there’s something really positive in my life that I had made porn that people respond well to, because then you realize that that kind of stuff doesn’t really matter, you know. I liken it to the first time you’re able to look at yourself in the mirror, or look at your body, and sort of reframe how you see yourself or when you, you know, have a lover who sees you in a new way, and you see yourself in a new way. It’s kind of the same kind of thing… I’ve heard, you know, the lens of pornography being described in all these really negative ways, and like the “male gaze” and it’s really oppressive. And I do understand people having had that experience, but for me the lens has been that kind of lover, like that experience where I’ve completely been able to embrace and feel good about myself the way I am and what I look like. And that’s pretty great… and fun. Yeah.
Jiz: Yeah. I’m growing out all of my hair so I’m like, OK, this is the first time I’m gonna have like all this massive hair like a wildebeest on camera.
Dylan: I thought it was like super-hot…
Jiz: So, I was kinda feeling my own … like how do I feel comfortable showing all this hair? Yeah, I guess I do, so…
Dylan: Mmhmmm. And there’s always moments when it’s like, OK, I wanba to shift this way a little bit so my butt cheek is not doing such an awkward thing. But it’s less about like, “Look at my butt cheek, it’s so ugly,” and more just like, “Maybe that’s not the best angle for my butt cheek. Which, you know, there’s so much of that in life in general I think I’m like, OK, I’m just going to do this a little bit this way and it will kind of redirect how everything looks, or feels to me or how I feel about it, so… yeah.